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Pair in DNA database legal battle
http://www.bloglines.com/blog/Marcus-Lasance?id=16
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20 months, 2 weeks, 4 days, 18 hours agoToday the BBC was awash with a news story about two men fighting at the European Court of Human Rights, to have their DNA removed from the UK's National Crime Data Base. In ‘The ONE show’ they interviewed the father of a murdered girl Sally Anne Bowman. Of course you will win the public’s sympathy vote that way, but laws made in over-reaction to dramatic events like the Soham Murders, the Ipswich murders and this girl's case later come back and bite us in the bum. The Police forget the mention constantly that the murderers they find that way are convicted murders who should be on that data base. How many crimes were solved by matching DNA to innocent people who happened to be on this data base for all the wrong reasons?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/theoneshow/article/2008/02/jr_dna.shtml
#1 - By LASANCE, 20 months, 1 week, 4 days, 9 hours ago.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/theoneshow/article/2008/02/jr_dna.shtml
That link to The ONE Show didn't register so cut and paste it from the link above. My wife called and said that on BBC 'Look East' edition they interviewed Gordon Brown congratulating Ipswich Police with the extraordinary result using DNA. A typical politician's comment. Tony Blair also famously gave a photo opportunity away having his DNA swabbed as part of the commissioning of this system. But do you really think they actually stored his DNA? #2 - By LASANCE, 20 months, 1 week, 4 days, 7 hours ago.
http://www.bileta.ac.uk/Document%20Library/1/Big%20Bio-Brother%20is%20here%20-%20wanting,%20taking%20and%20keeping%20your%20DNA.pdf
This is a great scientific legal paper by a PHD Law Student. #3 - By LASANCE, 20 months, 1 week, 4 days, 6 hours ago.
Now this is a fantastic comment by one of thye Uk's leading columnnists Deborah Orr... (if too long cust and paste in your browser)
The really important aspect of the development of the DNA database that was nailed in the Nuffield report is that the emphasis is on the gathering of as much information about as many people as possible, rather than on the gathering of as much information on as much crime as possible. The report discloses, shockingly, that only 20 per cent of crime scenes are at present being forensically examined, which makes a mockery of all that obsession with getting as many people on file as possible, in order to solve as many crimes as possible. Then suddenly it becomes clear. A society in which the police sit around, waiting for crimes to be committed that would fit the profile of their ever-growing pool of suspects if only they weren't too busy taking DNA from as many people as they could to do a scene of crime check, is just a lazy, dumb and prejudiced one. Which seems simple enough to comprehend. #4 - By LASANCE, 16 months, 4 days, 2 hours ago.
Almost a year ago I was arrested for a trivial offense of shouting at the owner of a Doberman who mauled my pet Sam, a much smaller dog, when he refused to give his identity or pet insurance details.
I complained to Ipswich Police, but as yobs are known to do he countered my accusation with similar accusations and, by playing the race card, managed to convince PC Plod that aggrevated racial harrasment had taken place. Three days later I was taken from my place of work by officers of Suffolk Constabulary in full protective gear. PACE of course totally forbids this, unless like Suffolk Constabulary likes to do is pretend three days after the alleged offence arresting someone citing the 'necessity for a prompt arrest'. ( In reality they just want to drag you to the police station to take your DNA sample and addit to their toy cupboard). Nearly a year later the case 'thrown out of court' and after four out of seven complaints against the police upheld (including one by the IPCC) they still refuse to admit they were gullible, acted foolishly and should make some form of amends to a decent law abiding citizen. I am not a 'querelant' but I like many others believe the Police in the UK is :
Grossly undermining civil liberties by storing DNA of innocent people and pretending three days makes for a 'prompt arrest'; Her is an example of how this sort of police brutality can affect people's lives
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-480017/Ministers-accused-trying-build-DNA-database-stealth.html It took James Bristow, the manager of a large property firm, 13 months to have his daughter Caitlin's DNA details erased from the national database. "This hung over [my daghter's] head for a year - she used to be a county sprinter but now she's given it all up. "As I understand it, I was only the second person to get a DNA profile removed, but I really do feel that this is another freedom that has been eroded.' said James Bristow. Well done mate is what I say. The tragedies go on.. THE TREE CLIMBERS Three 12-year-old children were arrested, DNA tested and locked up for playing in a tree. I know from personal experience how deeply invasive and offensive this DNA taking by force is to perfectly normal innocent citizenz. Shame on you Suffolk Constabulary. Shame on you Tony Lake and the other Chief Constables to scared to contradict him from within their cosy APCO club.
#5 - By LASANCE, 15 months, 1 week, 8 days, 21 hours ago.
Selective perception may be at work here but I am starting to see a groundwell of resistence against the storing by the Police of DNA of juveniles and other citizens never convicted.
Here is the story of a schoolboy from Staffordshire who has been fighting to get his DNA removed from a national database following a dispute over a bus fare. #6 - By LASANCE, 15 months, 1 week, 8 days, 21 hours ago.
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A schoolboy from Staffordshire has been fighting to get his DNA removed from a national database following a dispute over a bus fare. http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/1/hi/england/7498764.stm #7 - By LASANCE, 15 months, 1 week, 8 days, 21 hours ago.
The stories of a 'hero' who stopped a drunk assaulting a woman and some more school girls on a bus
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7267421.stm #8 - By LASANCE, 15 months, 1 week, 8 days, 17 hours ago.
The Ethics Group: National DNA Database, chaired by Prof. Peter Hutton has just answered my question to jaqui Smith: In their annual report they conclude: Although the objectives and use of the NDNAD and stored DNA samples have a basis in legislation, there is no proper statutory footing for, and oversight of, its operation;
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